We often publish materials, often critical, in which we consider the zraks and the movements of the Ukrainian MCC. But do it with your own, from the Russian side.
Today I suggest discussing the material "with that", from the Ukrainian side. Kirill Danilchenko (Ronin), the patriot of that Ukraine (without a gram of dullness, in the country where there was a different worldview, different from ours, may be his patriots), from time to time publishes the army and MIC of their country.
Naturally, in the next world in which it is obliged to do a patriot.
However, fully understanding Kirill, I note that in his last material () there are several moments that I would like to comment.
Without any jumps and lugs, just an opinion from the "other side".
In fact, Kirill writes quite soberly. Sometimes. Sometimes he lists, but, nevertheless, his opinion is very valuable, because the truth in such matters, like MIC of Ukraine, is always somewhere in the middle of the opinions chatting.
What is the generally dedicated to the article? Description of positive and negative moments in military life in Ukraine. As well as quantitative and high-quality prospects for the VSU.
Translate? Easily. The question is considered how good the army of Ukraine "in the case of which" is considered. It is clear that "the case of what" is the Russian army, which is whether it will dismiss in three days and rolls the VSU in Chernozem, or not.
Go.
"Naturally, not all the news we have good - flashed and lost on the site of tanks, from which two departments were died at once, people died on the exercises, there were unpleasant sites on the front. But, in principle, we are all accustomed to the fact that there is a reality, and there is a point of view on it. "
Perfectly. A very good approach, all the same happens with us. And people in the exercises die, and the technique is lost. Here, the essence is not how much, but how quickly the technique was found and conclusions on people did.
Mortar
The analysis of the mortar issues began. Yes, mortars today in Ukraine - on a par with SAU and trunks of artillery.
"For example, reality is that the incidents with mortars 2b11" Sani "were 4, and with" hammers "- 8 ...
But the "hammers" is a fatally dangerous "handicraft" handicraft, while Sanya is a classic checked for years. And no one is interested that, for example, Sanya already in 2016, according to The Military Balance, there were only 200 pieces, and since that time they also actively produced the resource and walked on the layer, while the series in 280 pieces -120-15 "Hammer" was fully handed over, and most likely there were still orders. It is quite logical that there from 2016 to 2018 twice as many PE (just in the troops are already twice as many).
There, in theory, it's just nothing to break, it's just a copy of the same Sanya. There are no complex technologies, new sights, slices, shutter. The increasing paint or the seam curve can not make a mine in the trunk, and the hitch or wanted charge will not lead to a fatal end, if the fuse does not start, but public opinion already formed. And often not only in the environment of people who have seen "hammer" in the picture, but also those who really fought or served in the army. "
Well, just like in a joke: "Masha Casl will not spoil!" - "Does it depends on what kind of casl ..."
If you believe the Ukrainian Anatoly Tapolsky, who, as it were, shot from these "Molotov", everything is not so luxurious. More precisely, the sofa is the most, this "hammer". But in the trench ... Yes, even collected by "skillful hands" ... Yes, in non-core enterprises like an older-repair factory ...
Well, I'll just leave it here:
Do you know where I saw such a sight? Yes, in the museum in Padikovo. On the Soviet mortar of 1945 release.
Who is interested in continuation, welcome to Tapolsky: (). Make sure at the same time that I did not attribute at all.
"Hammer" is a truly handicraft fake "Sanya", dangerous for calculations. And the press service of the VSU brazenly lying, hiding the true number of cases. As always, however. Like colleagues from other countries. The lies in the execution of the PS of any Ministry of Defense of any country are normal.
We will not talk about curved hands and excessive alcohol use of alcohol on the front line we will not. The author did not raise this issue, and I will not. I do not see sense, the Internet and YouTube are filled with appropriate photos and videos. With the motto "drank, drink, and we will drink, but otherwise you do not live" in the Ukrainian army, they fight, but so far the green sniped wins.
Anti-tank weapons
"It is always missing, always a little and always for the month of conflict, if it becomes. It was heard almost everyone who was interested in the theme. In 2014 from 2014 to 2017, 66 PTRs passed. In 2018, the number of IDRs were classified (it is quite logical in connection with the transfer of "darts", a large-scale order for the forming parts and TRU). We will not fantasize the growth of production, until there are no specific facts - let two dozen launch units passed in 6 months. Plus, at least 35 PU 3rd generation, which went to us within the framework of military-technical cooperation from the United States. 121 launcher. Before the war, there were also procurement, but imagine that we were lost in the paws, and they failed as a result of hostilities. But do not forget about the transfer of weapons in GPSU and NSU (for example, only in NSU - about 40 PTRK, starting from 2014). Total for all departments - up to 180-200 new IDRs. "
Well, not bad, probably. What about BC to "start-up units"?
"They produced more than 2000 pturov, which is much more than the next ammunition to the FMR, and this is a completely decent figure. In addition, more than 600 tours are managed such missiles.
I remind you that Poland, which is actively transplanted from its "Bovope" on KTO Rosomak, has purchased only 570 pieces since 2003, spending on the defense three times more money for 15 years. "
New and old dogs ... Good, endowed everything. Plus, the United States has already thrown into a javelins. There are charges. Poland overtook-overtakes. Peremoga?
You know, and maybe yes. Watching what to wash.
As I understand it, we are talking about the old song. The fact that Ukraine is the European shield against the Russian aggression. And that these are the first to stand on the way Armad and Halior to the Russian army. Well, respectively, the first and will lie.
Europe, as I understand it, absolutely not against. It is clear that the hell knows him, these hordes will go, or not, but there will be no extra shield on their way.
Logical, right? How in the old good times of ATS was, remember? With the same in general, the goal is to enable the Soviet Army to turn around and save live strength and technique.
Now Europe will be happy to use Ukraine in this form if that.
The most remarkable thing that no one asked Ukraine about this. They themselves volunteered to die under the caterpillars of Russian tanks, taking as much as they can.
Question to Cyril: how many will be able to?
A little. And that's why. Pan Danilchenko very well considers the numbers and opportunities. Very logical and sensible. But he forgets about one such "small thing." If Russia appears on a hypothetical war, then this war is unlikely to go through Ukrainian laws. This is not Donbass ...
Ask me for the Ukrainian laws of war invented? Yes, I did not come up with them. The time came up with. Laws of Nisterhood, if so.
Nothing 200 Ukrainian IDRs will not be able to do russian tanks. They will simply die, and most likely, very ugly and useless. Too much of the Russian army today, the Lomoms, against which the Arms of Takes is not and will not.
I feel sorry not only the calculations of the FPCR, but further in the text of all, who will have to dare to die under bombs and reactive projectiles of the Russian Federation, under the blows of Tornado, Hurricanes and other RSWs, under artillery shells and tactical missiles.
No offense - chances zero.
Indeed, if Ukraine has no air force - to us that, also planes and helicopters for fun? Cyril, are you serious? Just the opposite, throw everything that can, then heal artillery, and then, for loyalty - "Buratino" and "Suns".
And, by the way, in the conditions of the full impotence of the WMS, as it is unlikely that there are idea how many wonderful surprises are preparing these unhurried guys from Rab.
Next, Cyril argues that a rather large amount of anti-tank weapons is placed on mobile chassis. The fact that KB "Luch" does and "Sturd", and "Corsairs", and "barriers", and "barriers-in" for helicopters, and gives export order to Algeria and Azerbaijan, and finishes the "deserted" modification of Ukrainian FEDDs "Scythy" that KB works almost on the verge of its capabilities.
Sorry, and sense? Sense from your 600 with excess platforms, if they are no more than Misha in a dash for VKS and (the worst) army aviation, sharpened to such entertainment?
"Well, of course, this is not" coffin, coffin, cemetery, "it is time to thoroughly flying brains."
Well, no, it is "coffin, coffin, cemetery." If only to Ukraine does not attack the Vanuatu. Or someone from the Balts.
Helicopters
"We wrote a lot about helicopters, even a separate article came out - who wanted, he met. So, directions for growth points here are two. To put storage on the wing, upgrade and remove machines from transport to surrogate Mi-8MSB-B, with naked Mi-24, "Chemists" and commander modifications to PU-1, and later to all-weather and night. Plus buy new models abroad, as they do, for example, Georgians in the sphere of air defense, not expecting secret developments Domestic MIC, not knowing analogs, two teaspoons per year. What, by the way, safely and is done. For example, only for 2017 passed 12 cars. Among them, there are both Mi-24 PU-1 and Mi-8MSB-B. Plus, the sensational contract with the French on 55 multipurpose machines - naturally, they will be used in the east of Ukraine, as in summer battles used DSH and GPSA technique. "
Good, pulls. Mi-24 is still good machine. In 2016, Ukraine seems to have more hundreds of cars. On the paper. In fact, if you believe Kirill (I believe), today in the Air Force of Ukraine there are only 60 working machines. This is all, Mi-24, Mi-8 and Mi-2.
With what, in fact, and congratulations.
Of course, fighting with a militia in the Donbas is a digit. To die under the first (the second will not need) the strike of the CCS of the Russian Federation - also enough. On a serious conflict ... 60 cars ... Well, yes, for a couple of days, probably.
"In the same Poland, for example, impact helicopters, even with the possible purchase of" Apache "in the United States, less twice, not to mention Romania and other countries of Eastern Europe (Although with large GDP). When 55 multipurpose turnsides emerge from France, then in Ukraine there will be more than 120 flying helicopters - an impressive figure for Eastern Europe, how not to twist and do not try to pull the Zradua here. "
Easily stretch. Not "when", but "if". If there are money, and the French will sell. And the question is in what form. And then, maybe the Mi-24 still the Soviet heritage will be more abruptly. In addition, a very long time will occupy the development of new techniques. Considering that it is new not in time, but in essence ...
And Poland, oddly enough, to fight with Russia in one helmet is not going. For this, there is NATO in which the Poles consist, because they do not need to break GDP and so being purchased. All in NATO is. Bring if it is necessary and if you have time.
Artillery
"Against the background of the hysteria about the procurement of" Polish scrap metal ", we also need to look closely in the eyes of reality. Britain, whose military experts love to write about how to reflect the Russian threat to us, has 86 saough. In Germany, their 101. Yes, these are modern machines with AU, with automatic charging and excellent rapidity. But they are with Gulkin's nose even on the borders of Germany and Britain, and if you take away the streaming and study parts, there is still more than bad, despite their space budgets. Polish "crabs" ordered 40 pieces, (received 14 and 8), Dedine Contract - in 2019, but not the fact that they will have time. In Ukraine, in the system as of 2018, 606 SAU pieces, not counting the "non" of the DSH. When I arrive entirely, the "carnation" batch of 2С1 from Poland will be almost 700. 700 self-propelled guns. "
An interesting counting system. And comparison with Germany and Britain. It seems that these two countries live in the motive "if tomorrow is a war ...". No, Ukraine lives. And only such a measure is measuring all Danilchenko, and in vain.
Britain, if Kirill has seen, I will remind you, is not in Europe. This is sorry, the island empire, which is separated by a rather wide strap from the mainland. And who should, in the opinion of Danilchenko, a bunch of British from SAU, I do not understand. And for expedition campaigns in Afghanistan or Iraq of this more than enough.
And the British Fleet is ... with guns, rockets and torpedoes. And Air Force. That is, what is not in Ukraine, and the absence of what they are trying to compensate for SAU.
Germany is the same. They are not going to fight, but even if Russian hordes are hung over the border, it will be necessary to pass Poland and ... Ukraine!
I do not know how reality is the figure of 700 SAU in the Armed Forces, in my opinion - fantasy. Or fiction. For why then buy a Soviet old woman across Europe and get a trunny artillery from the stoves?
"Nona" is generally funny. Well, let's still "cornflowers" a few, too, in the hard artillery we write. And in general, then beauty will be on paper.
Tanks
"Everything is quite transparent. Despite the shoals with the stabilization system and SUO at competitions in Germany in T-84, these BTTs (standards stored on storage, then in line for modernization and streaming) for combat capability tank troops Especially do not affect. All fantasies about 100 Tanks "Oplot" until 2018, the tables from "Ukroboronprom" by year, how much should the BM "Stop" from the workshops should go, and how much - T-84 and others remained while on paper, and thank God. Why? Also wrote more than once, we will not repeat. The company "Optotts" per year is, of course, well, but the T-64 battalion is tactically flexible in our conditions, and it is trite to close more tasks; Money will appear later - new tanks will appear. As of 2017, approximately 180 modernized machines were handed over - with the replacement of the engine, DZ, the installation of the sight and PNV. The rest were raised from the grass, with storages, conducting medium or overhaul. It is quite difficult to call an accurate digit to not hook repairs. "
Fair. Well done. Indeed, in the furnace these T-84 and "Optlings", and with them and SAU "Bogdana", once Ukraine will not be released. You give cheap and angry: T-64! Upgraded as much as the strength is enough (that is, a little).
Moreover, if the forces (money) is enough, then even from such an older, as the T-64, can be satisted. Well, in Russia with T-72. Stretched to T-72B3? Fine? What prevents the same with T-64 to turn? Only money and hands.
Of course, it is worth noting that Russia still has T-90SS, but we will not be about sad. As well as about 3,000 potential T-80Us on storage and 450 in service. Yes, in Ukraine, the T-80 also seems to be, but in more modest quantities (146 and 22, respectively), and even those, if not sold.
"Today, Ukraine is in the ranks of up to 17 tank battalions and 12-13 separate Rot For all departments, and together with tanks for battalions of the reserve case are about 800 T-64, T-72 and T-80 cars of various modifications. We are experiencing problems with spare parts, mobilization zip stocks and opportunities to carry out field repairs, but this number is more than in Germany, Britain and more couples of Eastern European countries in the appendage. At least, we can fade the enemy in the Red Zone on the LBS and be able to operate the reserves to the north and on the reverse, if the Russian Federation wants to raise the bets. "
Wow ... shivering purses. 800 cars are serious. It is no less serious that there are no spare parts for them, there is no possibility to establish the release of these parts, no hands to produce repair, no heads to establish due service uncharacteristic for Ukraine T-72. Yes, there is nothing.
Where these tanks will fight the army of Russia and on what a hem there (this is, apparently, if their Crimea is trapped), I do not know. I know only that, most likely, they will be burned on the first day of the war (we wrote the tank that the tank was, there will be a credit goal for everyone who can write it to your account) by Russian Mi-24, Ka-52, Mi-28N, Su-25 and Su-34.
It would be better if Kirill wrote his considerations than the Armed Forces going to cover their tanks and so on. Because I understand, to restrain the Russian troops they will be as much as it takes time to destroy them from the air. That is - a little.
"Due to the fact that they were removed from storage C-125, C-300B1, Torah and Cuba, the number of complexes on battle duty by a third. "
I read and thought. C-125 and "Cuba" is serious? I wonder there s-75 in the hooks left? Then, probably, exactly the air will be in immunity in Ukraine. There is something to be afraid.
"Let's summarize. Up to 700 sau in the foreseeable future in the ranks and gradual deployment of production under 155-mm caliber, 120 helicopters in the next 3 years, dozens of modernized RSZO, hundreds of artillery, 400 new BTR, 200 new FEDRs, launches "Barriers-B" from helicopters and Pre-production models of PTO complexes.
800 tanks, more than 1,500 cars, not counting 300 armored; If you take NSU and GPS cars, this number will double.
Unnoticedly serious modernization of the machine park on "Vizar", "Artem", in KB "Light", Pavlograd, where the plant was raised from his knees from the state of semi-corrupt shops up to 1.5 thousand staff and solar panels on the roof, the launch of the workshop for the production of hulls to BTR-4 in Kharkov. The transfer of 4 RES helicopters in the SSO part of the CSO was not too promulgated, and the fact that Rab complexes are already working on the front, and relative to the struggle with the CAPP work efficiently. In the meantime, the whole branch comes to life - the production of powder, capsules, sleeves. Purchasing equipment for the production of shells of a caliber of 155 mm, the production of 30-mm and 40-mm grenades, mines of all calibers, restore and upgrade rockets immediately to three types of SPC.
And many just too quickly forgot the Ukrainian fighters of the format of 2014, in sneakers, with the flag of Germany, not sports on the shape, with beds on the "Bardaki" and what our security forces look today.
Summer 2018. MIC Ukraine is still needed more effort and financing, but there is hard and confident progress, which is difficult not to notice. "
But it is smart. This is such a formulation, you can even climb. Good material feed. Clever. It's not easy, "it was not impressed, it was not extinct," and quite a normal story about what problems are fully, but they will be solved sooner or later.
That is, the reader gives what he wants. Halfth or almost no lie. After all, it is really impossible to disagree that the VSU-2018 and the VSU-2014 are fundamentally different things. And the VSU-2018 is already an army.
Yes, an army, suitable for a sample war on the beginning of the last century or with the countries of the third or fourth world, but the army. And this can not be admitted.
But for the war with the Russian army - more than doubtful.
But if you want to believe it, why not? Can? Can. It is not harmful until it comes to a real collision.
Ukrainian Operational Tactical Rocket Complex "Thunder-2" Photo: Defence-blog.com.
How work is underway Over "Thunder-2", when an approximately Ukrainian army can receive such a weapon and why conversations about its use in the current military conflict with the Russian Federation - provocations, in the Blitz interview "Apostrof" told Director of the information consulting company Defense Express Sergey Zgouture.
- What do you think when you wait for the large-scale production of rocket complexes "Thunder-2"?
We are talking about factory trials of one of the elements of the complex. For example, one of the steps of the solid fuel engine. Before full-scale tests, it will still be a little longer, because we must test the rocket, complex, other things. It will all take a certain time. And the large-scale production of the complex, according to optimistic estimates, can begin in two years.
- Can this complex become powerfuls Ukrainianthemweapons in Toy hybrid War With Russia, which is now going? It is done under the conflict or this new powerful weapons For the Ukrainian army?
This complex is manufactured by order of a foreign customer, given all those requirements that the foreign buyer has put forward. Based on this complex, its own complex can be created, which will have the best. tactical and technical characteristicsAnd the potential for this will be quite sufficient.
The military is counting on the fact that after the successful completion of the test cycle and the supply of the batch for an input, it will significantly reduce the cost of refining a complex under the requirements of the Ukrainian military, which are higher than the requirements of the Inspazer.
- That is, today it is premature to say that this is a weapon for Ukraine?
No one speaks about it. This is a complex that is made on the basis of a contract for one of the Middle Eastern countries. But this significantly reduces the financial and technological risks associated with the development of this weapon, which is necessary, in fact, and Ukraine. And the military really bet on this arms system after the completion of all works related to another country.
- How powerful weapons complex "Thunder-2"?
We need this weapon because today the most powerful complex of the WMS is the Soviet complex "Point", which stands on the equipment of our first rocket brigade.
Rocket complex "Point" has a range of up to 120 kilometers. But at one time he was designed to use various ammunition, including nuclear combat part And other things that provided for the possibility of a sufficiently large deviation from the goal. Today we do not have such a "far-hand", which is able to defeat the enemy over long distances. And if we say that the "Alder" complex is located 120 km away, and ideally a little further, then the Complex "Thunder-2" must reach the range of 280 km in the export version. And in the version for your own use, it can have a greater range.
That is, in fact, this complex will be the first to be able to hit the target at least a greater distance, and even three times than those arms samples that are in service with the Ukrainian army today. This is a distance indicator.
Performance and power indicators, I think, will be an order to exceed those indicators that are today related to the "Point" complex.
Pulp "Thunder-2" Photo: MIL.IN.UA
In Russia, there was a certain hysteria due to this complex. There have already begun conversations that this weapon can hit the Russian Federation. In particular, they say that these weapons can be deposited by Kerch w. bridgew., whichRussia wants to connect his mainland with an occupied Crimea.
I do not know where these conversations come from. This is not quite so. In fact, we are talking about the completion of certain stages of work related to the creation of a complex for an input. This is a long process that is associated with certain technological obstacles and tasks that the Ukrainian side decides. Such complexes are created within 7-10 years. If the Ukrainian government financed this project since he was started, and this project was at least 12 years old in different versions, then this weapon would have already. And it would really be able to perform the tasks you are talking about.
During the beginning of the war, we solved these tasks at the expense of the "Point" complexes with all risks of application related to the fact that this complex had a bunch of technical problems. And not only with accuracy, but also that not all rockets have come to goals, because they were already old, and their resource was not extended.
To perform combat missions, the Complex "Thunder-2" will begin after procurement by the armed forces, after working out their capabilities. Only after that, he will arise the first rocket or other brigade. And then you can already talk about using it as a combat.
Prior to this, all the talk about the use of the "Thunder-2" complex as a means of dealing in the current conflict can be perceived as provocative things that can create a certain impression that Ukraine is trying to use something very powerful in combat conflict, and the use technique is incomprehensible. This is when you talk about bridges and other things.
We are talking about the fact that in a short period of time, Ukraine due to increased financing of this project ensured the completion of the first cycle of work and now proceeds to another stage of work, which is associated with the creation of this weapon.
Pulp "Thunder-2" Photo: MIL.IN.UA
- That is, all this hysteria from Russia is notit hasno reason?
I do not see hysteria from Russia, except that there are dismissive assessments of this complex in individual forums, which looks ridiculous. Because this weapon is quite effective, and a small number of countries can provide a full cycle of such weapons. A key question of this complex is a full cycle of production of all components, including solid rocket fuel, which is a key element of this system.
Fuel, guidance system is key. And everything else is, let's say, the car that complements this component.
That is, the creation of its own production cycle rocket armament Given its own fuel - this is what provides us with an increase in capacity and in all other arms samples, where there are solid fuel to be changed on its own. After all, the use of fuel in different rockets is up to 15 years. Now we have all rockets - anti-aircraft missiles, air defense missiles, aviation - need to be renewed to other fuel to ensure their use of armed forces.
So the question about Russia is rather a nervous reaction to the fact that in Ukraine there are activities related to the real increase in the combat capability of the defense industry,accordingly -with gradual raising The combat capability of the Ukrainian army.
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After the collapse of the USSR, the Ukrainian weapon industry experienced difficult times. The state did not allocate money. Experts left and went to business. The country soldered arms that was inherited from Soviet army. But the war in Donbass breathed into Ukrainian defense new life. Designers began to develop new ones, sometimes very original weapons models. The assault rifles are collected from old Kalash, and the "new" rockets are designed in the Soviet Union. Not everything is happening while it turns out, and the miracle-armors sometimes break on the go, but Ukrainian gunsmiths and with this manage to master foreign markets. It was understood by what weapon Ukraine is going to prevent the likely opponent.
Sleight of hand
Working out a new small arms, Ukrainian gunsmiths seem to be guided by the residual principle. Reconnect and re-package everything that remains from Soviet developments. Otherwise, explain some innovations is very difficult.
Take, for example, a vivid example of such a design approach is an operational-portable rifle "Hopak-61". She was developed by the Kiev Plant "Lighthouse". For the first time, weapons were presented in 2015.
The main donor of the new rifle was adopted in 1959, the Kalashnikov Akm automaton, the butt got from Kalashnikov's machine gun, the Calashnikov's hand-gun machine.
Gopak-61 uses a cartridge 7.62x39 millimeters. In the Soviet Union, in the 1970s, they switched to more modern and effective ammunition 5.45x39 millimeters. Moreover, the caliber 7.62x39 millimeters was initially developed as an automatic cartridge under AK-47 and does not meet the basic requirements for sniper cartridges. Ukrainian gunsmiths this factapparently not embarrassed.
Another feature of the new rifle was the absence of automatic recharging and the dyeing gas removal system as such - the basis of the work of any automatic weapons of the last century. As a result, the arrow will have to manually recharge the rifle after each shot.
"Hopak" can be conventionally classified as a Marxman rifle. They occupy an intermediate position between conventional small arms and severe high-precision non-automatic sniper rifles. The most famous examples of Marxman rifles are semi-automatic Russian SVD and American MK 14 EBR. However, a Ukrainian wonderful weapon cannot confidently compete with one of these samples because of the worst basic characteristics.
The cartridge used is not sniper and outdated more than 40 years ago. As well as taken as the basis of AKM - it is good for infantrymen, but hardly arranged prepared snipers. The developers argue that the rifle is intended for special forces fighters, however, the cases of using it in hostilities are unknown.
The result speaks for himself: three years after the presentation further fate "Hopaka" is still not defined.
"Hopak" is not the only example of using the Soviet heritage, from which Ukraine does not hurry to refuse. Simultaneously with the "Hopak" gunsmiths presented a new assault rifle "Malyuk" ("Kid"). This is a classic AK-74, made in the Bull-Dad layout (when the clip is located behind the trigger).
In addition, the Ukrainian "Malyuk" received fastenings for the picatinni plank, which allows you to install rifle accessories like additional sights, lanterns and the like. A new Ukrainian assault rifle is performed in three calibers: Soviet 7.62 millimeters and 5.45 millimeters and NATO 5.56 millimeters.
Frame: Ukroboronprom / YouTube
As the Ukrainian media reported, Malyuk has a good chance of both within the country and in the world market. "In the segment of the small arms, the machine will be able to occupy a niche along with samples of leading producers of the world," the Ukrainian Association of Rifle Weapons was noted on the website.
However, after three years after the presentation, Malyuk never entered the troops. Perhaps he is still needed.
But we make rockets
Ukraine began 2018 with demonstration of success of his rocket industry. In early January, the National Industrial Engine Test Portal for the new complex of operational-tactical missiles "Thunder-2".
The spectacle is not that exciting: the engine works 15 seconds - all the tests are limited. However, the short roller provoked a rapid reaction in Ukraine and in Russia. The Ukrainian press wrote that the rocket is capable of reaching Moscow, and "this will already be a completely different conversation with the aggressor."
With the beginning of the war in the Donbas, Ukraine decided to breathe new life into old rocket projects. It stimulates patriotic moods and allows you to count on receiving foreign contracts, the benefit of the claimed characteristics allow.
Thunder-2 refers to the type of operational-tactical missiles - such as, for example, Russian "Iskander". Thunder-2 can affect the range of 280 kilometers. Ukrainian experts also speak about an increase in the radius of application in the case of production for their army, but such modernization is clearly not the case of the coming years.
Before taking the "Thunder-2" is still very far. Even sympathetic experts are carefully talking about several years needed to complete the tests of the rocket. Moreover, the director of the information consulting company Defense Express Sergey Sgout, familiar with the progress of work, in an interview with the Apostrof, said that the customer was not Ukrainian, but an unnamed Middle Eastern country.
And now the Summer Overview of the MIC of Ukraine from # Ronin. Build your presentation on real facts, and not on hysteries in Facebook
Approximately every six months I am writing an article about how things are going to Ukrainian WCC in particular and the sphere of defense in general. Well, judging by the number of good news, it was time for the next release - the extreme was still in winter.
Naturally, not all the news we have good - flashed and lost on the site of tanks, from which two departments were died at once, people died on the exercises, there were unpleasant sites on the front. But, in principle, we are all accustomed to the fact that there is a reality, and there is a point of view on it. This is especially true of the country's defense capability in the context and information war, and financial and industrial groups leading to rigid competition.
For example, reality is that the incidents with mortar 2b11 "Sani" in the WMS were 4, and with "hammers" - 8. Double charging, breaks in the trunk channel due to abnormal trigger or damage to the fuse (for a second, the most "young »Fuses to 120-mm we have 29 years old, they are on the edge of the storage period). Time is inexorably. For example, I personally saw a red wanted charge in a varnish, rotting through the capsule, inside the rust and a pipe. If 60-mm mines we buy and started producing, "VOG" produce, then 120 mm mines, except for small experimental series, - While the mobilization stocks of the USSR divisions, and this is a certain lottery.
Soviet Ages Mortar 2B11 Caliber 120 mm
The cause of the incident is quite explained: or the hands of the calculation, which twist flags and mechanisms from double charging (for various reasons - economic - do not lubricate and disassemble according to the instruction, they want to give the pace of fire here and now); or the physical destruction of the fuse from the time, the use of "non-rigging" fuses, or even the complex of factors (a fuse can be on a combat platoon, not even being punctured - from impact or destruction of the mechanism). But the "hammers" is a fatally dangerous "handicraft" handicraft, while Sanya is a classic-tested classics who do not ask. And it's not interesting for anyone that, for example, Sanya already in 2016, according to The Military Balance, there were only 200 pieces, and since then, they also actively produced a resource and walked on the layer - while a series of 280 pieces M-120-15 "Hammer" was fully handed over, and most likely there were still orders. It is quite logical that there from 2016 to 2018 twice as many PE (just in the troops are already twice as many).
2C12 Sani - Soviet mortar complex consisting of 120 mm mortar 2B11 and gas-66 truck for its transportation
There, in theory, it's just nothing to break, it's just a copy of the same Sanya. There are no complex technologies, new sights, slices, shutter. The increasing paint or the seam curve cannot make a mine in the trunk, and the hitch or wanted charge will not lead to a fatal outcome, if the explosion does not start, but public opinion is already formed. And often, not only in the environment of people who have seen "hammer" in the picture, but also those who really fought or served in the army. Although, undoubtedly, we all expect the results of the investigation. The question is much wider by mortars - a huge number of Ukrainians still mentally live in 2014 and believe that we do not prepare for war, tighten the priceless time, losing people, could do more or moving there. Therefore, the parallel theme of our today's article, in addition to the usual news, the myths against reality in the realm of defense. We need to help only the "white book", The Military Balance, adequacy and brains. No secret insides and secret knowledge that may be interested in Comrade Major, there is no.
Anti-tank weapons
He is always missing, always a little and always for the month of conflict, if it becomes. It was heard almost everyone who was interested in the theme. Well, mathematics is the most honest science. In 2014 from 2014 to 2017, 66 PTRs passed. In 2018, the number of IDRs were classified (it is quite logical in connection with the transfer of "darts", a large-scale order for the forming parts and TRU). We will not fantasize the growth of production, until there are no specific facts - let two dozen launch units passed in 6 months. Plus, at least 35 PU 3rd generation, which went to us within the framework of military-technical cooperation from the United States. 121 launcher. Before the war, there were also procurement, but we will imagine that we lost them in the paw and they failed as a result of hostilities. But do not forget about the transfer of weapons in GPSU and NSU (for example, only in NSU - about 40 PTRK, starting from 2014). Total for all departments - up to 180-200 new PTRS.
They produced more than 2000 pturov, which is much more than the next ammunition to the FMR, and this is a completely decent digit. In addition, more than 600 round-controlled tank missiles were handed over, which expands the possibility of tank battalions and the mouth of the motorized brigades to counter the enemy tanks (although they will equip upgraded cars, and they will go to tank brigades in order not to smear them along the line). Well, do not forget about the "barriers" of BTR-3 and BTR-4 (for example, in NSU in the 2017th shipped 15 BTR, and in the VSU - 46 units). Their number for all departments is rapidly approaching 400 pieces. I remind you that Poland, which is actively transplanted from its "Bovope" at KTO Rosomak, has purchased only 570 pieces since 2003, spending on the defense three times more money for 15 years.
BTR-3 equipped with "Barrier"
By the way, if you consider that it is KB "Loam" makes both "stagno", and "Corsairs", and "barriers", and "barriers-in" for helicopters, and gives export order to Algeria and Azerbaijan, and finishes "deserted" The modification of Ukrainian SKIF SCIFRs, then it (CB) works almost on the verge of its capabilities. Despite this, with combat modules of Ukrainian armored vehicles (there is also active work under the module on "Warta" and specialized PTO models) from 600 platforms that can carry anti-tank armament. Not counting the helicopters, hundreds of PTRS of Soviet divisions on the storage, which we after 4 years of the position campaign, we disassemble the blockages on the Svetlodar arc and spend on routine goals like watering; Not counting the "assault" and "contests" on "Bardakov"; Not counting the tanks with the WTO - 600 platforms and under 3000 means of lesion. And at the end of this year, there will be more, including the 3rd generation FEDRs, because a significant increase was planned in the defense order, and the next package by $ 100 million from the United States will enter the weeks. You can say that it is necessary more, and strive for this, but not to mention an order of magnitude - it is impossible. Well, of course, this is not a "coffin, coffin, cemetery," it is time to thoroughly fly brains.
Helicopters
We wrote a lot about helicopters, even a separate article came out - who wanted, he met. So, directions for growth points here are two. To put storage on the wing, upgrade and remove machines from transport to surrogate Mi-8MSB-B, with naked Mi-24, "Chemists" and commander modifications to PU-1, and later to all-weather and night. Plus, buy new models abroad, as they do, for example, Georgians in the sphere of air defense, not expecting the secret developments of the domestic MIC, which do not know the analogues, two teaspoons per year. What, by the way, safely and is done. For example, only for 2017 passed 12 cars. Among them, there are both Mi-24 PU-1 and Mi-8MSB-B. Plus, the sensational contract with the French on 55 multipurpose machines - naturally, they will be used in the east of Ukraine, as in summer battles used DSH and GPS technique.
Ukrainian helicopter Mi-8MSB-in production "Motor Sich"
In early 2018, he shipped a dozen Mi-2MSB - excellent boards in our conditions for training or intelligence missions. Modernized "crocodiles" rent 3 cars per year, but together with flying machines in brigades and lively from the grass they are now up to 45 pieces. With the "surrogate" Mi-8MSB-in, which handed over as 3 + 4 + 8 + 8, the final figure pleases. Despite the traditional problems with spare parts, it was possible to keep the rates of last year in AA, and increase the number of flying machines. In the same Poland, for example, shock helicopters, even with the possible purchase of "Apaches" in the United States, less than half, not to mention Romania and other countries of Eastern Europe (albeit with large GDP). Application in case of exacerbation from the operational depth of more than 60 "crocodiles" and multipurpose Mi-8, which are able to apply BSHA - this is still a level for our financial realities. When 55 multipurpose turnsides emerge from France, then in Ukraine there will be more than 120 flying helicopters - an impressive figure for Eastern Europe, no matter how cool and neither try to pull the Zrade here.
Artillery
Against the background of the hysteria about the procurement of "Polish scrap metal", we also need to look closely in the eyes of reality. Britain, whose military experts love to write about how to reflect the Russian threat to us, has 86 saough. In Germany, their 101. Yes, these are modern machines with AU, with automatic charging and excellent rapidity. But they are with Gulkin's nose even on the borders of Germany and Britain, and if you take away the streaming and study parts, there is still more than bad, despite their space budgets. Polish "crabs" ordered 40 pieces, (received 14 and 8), Dedine Contract - in 2019, but not the fact that they will have time. In Ukraine, in the system as of 2018, 606 SAU pieces, not counting the "non" of the DSH. When will arrive entirely by the "carnation" batch of 2С1 from Poland, there will be almost 700. 700 self-propelled guns.
Only in 2017 more than 35 UAVs were transferred. With the supply of past years, "corners" from the United States, shipments to other departments and volunteer supplies - tactical UAVs we have more than 350. This is still lower than the requests of the security forces of Ukraine. But in the bundle with the US RLS, we are able to perform tasks as controlter struggle or isolation of the battlefield on TVD and to reduce the rate of possible occurrence of the transformation of tactical rear, warehouses, nodal stations, prefabricated repair points in Khash. With the help of an even more than 1000 trunks of the near artillery - by the way, in Britain 126 units of the crazy artillery (an order of magnitude less). This year we will see in the "Verqu" metal on the basis of the "KRAZ", modernized "hurricanes", possibly the long-awaited PCC - the serial production of corrected shells and the usual nomenclature began. A huge system work has been carried out, which is impossible not to note.
Tanks
Everything is quite transparent here. Despite the shoals with the system of stabilization and SUO at competitions in Germany in T-84, these BTTs (those who stored on storage, then in line for modernization and streaming) on \u200b\u200bthe combat capability of tank troops do not particularly affect. All fantasies about 100 Tanks "Oplot" until 2018, the tables from "Ukroboronprom" by year, how much should the BM "Stop" from the workshops should go, and how much - T-84 and others remained while on paper, and thank God. Why? Also wrote more than once, we will not repeat. The company "Optotts" per year is, of course, well, but the T-64 battalion is tactically flexible in our conditions, and it is trite to close more tasks; Money will appear later - new tanks will appear. As of 2017, approximately 180 modernized machines were handed over - with the replacement of the engine, DZ, the installation of the sight and PNV. The rest were raised from the grass, with storages, conducting medium or overhaul. It is quite difficult to call the exact number to not hook repairs.
BM "Optot" (fundamentally upgraded tank T-84U "Plot")
Today, Ukraine has to be built up to 17 tank battalions and 12-13 separate mouths for all departments, and together with tanks for battalions of the reserve body - it is about 800 T-64, T-72 and T-80 modifications. We are experiencing problems with spare parts, mobilization zip stocks and opportunities to carry out field repairs, but this number is more than in Germany, Britain and more couples of Eastern European countries in the appendage. At least, we can fade the enemy in the Red Zone on the LBS and be able to operate the reserves from the north and on the variety, if the Russian Federation wants to raise the rates. The same Poles are not bent to lift bald T-72 from the grass and create a new tank DivisionFor which Ukrainians will produce dynamic protection kits (a contract for 500 pieces indicates that Poland's authorities are configured to revive the entire Park in zero in the light of the Russian Aggression). So we are on the right track, naturally, with a loaf to our budget and the possibility of industry.
Staff and preparation
For three years, the number of Ukraine's army is at one level - 204 thousand fighters and 46 thousand employees; At the level defined by Rada and the budget. Noncomplex in the system parts and filling the state on nodes of communication, polygons by the communication and heads of warehouses - the process is completely ordinary. People want to sleep in their beds, see the wives and meet holidays holidays, and do not draw dirt on the knee on the pick. The same US processes in Iraq were closed using local and PTCs, Russians in the Donbass rotations of regular parts and mercenaries, we are travel and staff behind the staff. But here it is clearly understood: there is no critical situation. There would be a threat to the loss of combat capability, then 30-40 thousand people of reservists would be called, somehow from 300 thousand UBD would have found 10%, who would return to the system.
And secondly, they would go to "zero" numerous "cords", consolidated fire groups of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and GPSU in quantities to close the bars in the line of combat contact, but for now they are all engaged and served on the schedule. Both sides retain the potential for building a grouping in the Red Zone, but perfectly realize that they will not be able to fulfill the tasks in direct confrontation, so warning war is carried out. Despite objective problems, There is an increase in the number of exercises - compared even from 2016 - and in the brigade (twice), and in the battalion. It was possible to maintain raids at 50 o'clock per person, increasing the number of flying bent, it turned out more than 80 thousand reservists for all departments.
Let's submit rESULTS. Up to 700 sau in the foreseeable future in the ranks and gradual deployment of production under 155-mm caliber, 120 helicopters in the next 3 years, dozens of modernized RSZO, hundreds of artillery, 400 new BTR, 200 new FEDRs, launches "Barriers-B" from helicopters and Pre-production models of PTO complexes. 800 tanks, more than 1,500 cars, not counting 300 armored; If you take NSU and GPS cars, this number will double. Still not too much for hundreds of battalions so that the personnel on the "Nole" and in the system work - in each particular division there are dozens of cars, a few PRT, a couple of sanitary "Motolag" and "Bogdanov", the company "Bears" and the old D- thirty. The main work remains behind the scenes, but they are leading, and are largely large. 16 billion hryvnia for procurement of weapons and equipment, 2.1 billion hryvnia on development of OPK According to the Ministry of Industry to the machine park, supplies from the USA for hundreds of millions of dollars of weapons, communications, vehicles (in 2017, about 80 cars entered within the framework of military-technical cooperation). For example, it seems to everyone that the connection is simply, and the replacement of it in each BTR and BMP from more than 2000, in each KSH, create a chain from the level of the brigade in management, purchasing a tropospheric and satellite communications, while maintaining the pace of military construction. It is easy to criticize and advise, everything else is hard.
A dozen of reinforced concrete fortified and covered warehouses for ammunition, which will be asked from the beginning of the year; and brigades training centers At the finish stage of delivery. A dozen radar from "Sparks", including 79k6 on the chassis from Belarus from MZKT (which means currency and cooperation in both directions), and for 4 years - four dozen new and upgraded radar. Not noticeably serious modernization of the machine park on "Visar", "Artem", in the Beam KB, Pavlograd, where the plant was raised from the knees from the state of the semi-corrupt shops to 1.5 thousand. Personnel and solar panels on the roof, the launch of the workshop for the production of buildings to BTR-4 in Kharkov. The transfer of 4 RES helicopters in the SSO part of the CSO was not too promulgated, and the fact that Rab complexes are already working on the front, and relative to the struggle with the CAPP work efficiently. In the meantime, the whole branch comes to life - the production of powder, capsules, sleeves. Purchasing equipment for the production of shells of a caliber of 155 mm, the production of 30-mm and 40-mm grenades, mines of all calibers, restore and upgrade rockets immediately to three types of SPC. Due to the fact that they were removed from storage C-125, C-300B1, Torah and Cuba, the number of complexes on combat duty on a third will be increased.
Work is a bad edge. We need to produce cable products, communication, prepare airfield service, transfer troops to a new nutrition system, produce machine grenades instead of killed LNGs (excellent caliber for Minsk and ten years old "balls" for ammunition), disposable grenadents and jet flameners, consumables Products from smoke grenades and mines to targets under CRKK, buy spare parts, make mobilization stocks of fuel, ammunition, clothing and ammunition in the event of a mass call. The problem of Ukrainians is not only that the propaganda shaft and lies hit us on us on the background of the war. The problem is also in the fact that most even adequate people were a quarter of a century far from the army, mowed from her, were not interested in her. And now our problems will solve that thousands of Ptthi and corrected bombs, then Korean SAU and British experts, then the elimination of the call, then the thermal imagers in each branch. And the system work is maintained - monotonous, heavy and ungrateful. Supply, logistics, preparation of the sergeant building, modernization and repair, PTO and aviation, reserve and mobistics. And many just too quickly forgot the Ukrainian fighters of the format of 2014, in sneakers, with the flag of Germany, not sports on the shape, with beds on the "Bardaki" and what our security forces look today.
Summer 2018. MIC Ukraine is still needed more effort and financing, but there is hard and confident progress, which is difficult not to notice.
The whole line of military equipment was presented to Jedni in Ukraine: Tanks, Battle Machines Infantry, Rifle Armament, Mortar, Defense Tools. With careful consideration, the experts saw in a new military technology well forgotten old - developing still Soviet times, modernized under modern standards.
After 1991, Ukraine is inherited after collapse Soviet Union The entire combat technology of three military districts, stationed in its territory - Kiev, Odessa and Carpathian. And it was real Strengthwhich allowed the army a newly formed state to enter the top three in Europe. The Ukraine subsequently lost its combat potential, and simply sold equipment and weapons, but some reserves remained. And now Kiev is trying to demonstrate its "combat capabilities" due to the modernization of the existing arms samples. "In fact, Ukraine was able to preserve a very efficient army, including due to the production facilities of his defense complex, which was formed here in soviet times- the director of the Technology Analysis Center Ruslan Pukhov believes. - And if Kalashnikov's machines were produced in Izhevsk, T-72 tanks - in the Urals, T-80 tanks were made in Kharkov, in this Ukrainian city, Antonov's "turnkey" were handed over. You can recall a number of defense enterprises in Ukraine, which were able to prepare high-quality weapons.
Now, I do not exclude, they are actively trying to establish, rather recover, it is production. Here is the question in another: trite lacking component materials to complete the full production cycle. Therefore, they are pushed from what is at hand. Something perhaps it turns out, but it is almost impossible to talk about the full development of the defense complex in Ukraine. Here you are at least crazy if there is no trunk at the machine gun, then no butt will make it a combat unit ". However, Ukraine presented more than 20 samples of weapons created over the past three years, taking the time of the beginning of the so-called ATO (anti-terrorist operation) In the Donbas and, in fact, coming to power as a result of the state coup of the current president of this country, Petro Poroshenko. Consider a series of them more carefully. In the past year, an unmanned BTR "Phantom" was introduced. This is a remotely managed minibronetransporter capable of fire from the weapons installed on it (machine guns) and evacuate the wounded battlefield. The stroke reserve is 20 km. In addition to the exhibition "Ukroboronprom," was no longer noticed. Supplies to the troops were also not observed.
As a novelty, the Ukrainian transport aircraft An-132D (modification of the An-32 Soviet transport aircraft) is also presented, in which, according to the developers, there is not a single Russian detail. The plane has already ordered in Saudi Arabia, and, as expected, such air sims will be made hardly two dozen per year. However, for now, not even an experienced sample rose into the air.
The rate of fire module "Viy" for light armored vehicles (probably for the Vosor-B armored vehicle) impresses with its characteristics - 50 shots per second. This fire facility is intended to defeat terrestrial purposes at a distance of two kilometers and air at altitudes up to a thousand meters. The high rate of shooting is achieved through the use of 23-mm GS-23 guns. With a short consideration, it turns out that the gun is from Tula, was developed back in 1965 and was used on many Soviet aircraft, including MiG-21. A good thing, but obviously without Ukrainian stamps. Bump-1, the legendary fighting machine of the infantry, which in the Russian army became an anachronism and decorate unless the monuments of military glory, in Ukraine gained a second life. Zhytomyr armored plant upgraded this matter to the level of BMP-1MD, including at the expense of painting the case, which makes it invisible including in infrared bands. Such a BMP with a German diesel engine installed on the road, and Selyan do not see her - a miracle of technology! At the same time, equipped with a laser rangefinder, designed, probably to determine the range to the nearest well.
The portable jet grenade launcher of the RK-4 "Ingul", demonstrated by Ukraine at the exhibition of weapons in Turkey in 2017, is characterized by good abilities for lesion of legogencies, cars, launchers, radar, aircraft in the parking lot and other things. However, his analogue was removed from the weapons of the USSR Sun in 1989, when more modern systems Jet grenade launchers. Ukraine issued this type of weapons for his own know-how. volley fire "Hrad" know even the uninitiated. The legendary heiress "Katyusha" times the Great Patriotic War In Ukraine, the name "Verba" was named and positioned as a new generation of weapons. Characteristics former, but new status. That's just in the famous song Katyusha, the Ukrainian "Verba" clearly does not fit.
We will be objective: "Ukroboronprom" achieved some kind of production of its own arms systems - the potential is preserved. Here, for example, the Kiev armored plant has developed a machine-gun-grenade launcher for military equipment, equipped with a computer fire control system "Kashtan". It is designed for remote control of weapons with sight video cameras that are capable of 15 seconds. Detect armored vehicles (BMP) up to four kilometers away.
Or, here: invented an additional reality helmet for tankers. Super needed device for the military, especially for the participants of the so-called ATO in the Donbas. The item is cool - increases the overview that is so lacking during the battle. You can immediately play the levers in the tanks. Well, the money is already embedded! The chip of the season is a hybrid of a tank and BMP. Back in 2015 it was reported that the Kharkov armored plant created for the Armored Armor, which connects the characteristics of T-64 and BMP. The stated speed is up to 65 km / h, the armor is able to withstand the shot from a grenade launcher and an explosive wave from anti-tank mines. The tank was equipped with night vision devices, put the Kombat rocket. It turned out all the same modified T-72, which eventually did not reach the zone of combat operations: before the mass production it did not come across. "Ukraine is trying to break with weapons with his full impotence, including in a war of military plan," said Military expert Vladislav Shurygin. - His potential, and he was very impressive, they managed to confuse: they sold a lot, much, as they say in the army, "like". The current attempts to portray some greatness are simply ridiculous. This is despite the fact that Ukraine has also preserved a certain potential that can reanimate the activities of the defense complex. But no one is going to invest in it. And all these "newest" developments will remain toys for the current Ukrainian authorities. Looked - yes, funny. And immediately forgot. It would be better if the combines began to produce - the target from them more than from tanks. "
